Norman™
Jan 15 2007, 07:32 PM
Well, since so many have been made/are going to be made, which is the best? Should movie studio's keep making them? Do they wreck the comic books?
Let me know what you think

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IMO sin city is the best

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scrag
Jan 15 2007, 09:49 PM
Spiderman
TexasGal
Jan 15 2007, 10:09 PM
Sin City -- Couldn't stand it. Couldn't even watch the whole thing.
X Men -- The first one was good. Couldn't get into the second one. Haven't seen the third.
Spiderman -- Tobey Maguire is horrible in this role. I didn't think he could act at all because of this role until I saw him in Seabiscuit. Kirsten Dunst was as wooden and awful as always. Willem Dafoe was surprisingly bad. James Franco was the only one worth seeing. Spiderman 2 wasn't any better.
Daredevil -- Loved it. Odd because I'm not a Ben Affleck or Jennifer Garner fan.
Batman -- Loved 1 & 2 and Forever. Couldn't stand Batman & Robin. Haven't seen Batman Begins.
Superman -- Loved all the Christopher Reeve Superman movies. Haven't seen Superman Returns.
Fantastic 4 -- Loved it!
scrag
Jan 15 2007, 10:11 PM
QUOTE(TexasGal @ Jan 15 2007, 10:09 PM)

Spiderman -- Tobey Maguire is horrible in this role. I didn't think he could act at all because of this role until I saw him in Seabiscuit. Kirsten Dunst was as wooden and awful as always. Willem Dafoe was surprisingly bad. James Franco was the only one worth seeing. Spiderman 2 wasn't any better.
You're wrong
TexasGal
Jan 15 2007, 10:32 PM
ohdarklord
Jan 15 2007, 10:43 PM
Sin City - Loved it
X Men - Orginal wasnt very good at all the other two are watchable
Spiderman - First ones ok never seen the second
Daredevil - Never seen
Batman - The first two were the best and ive not seen begins
Superman - Third one rules!!!! and the others are okay a guess.
Fantastic 4 - So boring me and my friend talked most of the way through it.
It was really hard to choos between sin city and superman 3 but sin city won
TexasGal
Jan 15 2007, 10:58 PM
Wasn't Superman III the one with Richard Pryor? Yes, that was a good one. Richard Pryor in the pink peignoir.
I like Superman IV because I really like Jon Cryer.
Caamora4
Jan 16 2007, 12:14 AM
it was close, but i went with Batman
because, i don't think Sin City is a real comic book movie it's a great movie but i see it as it's own kind of sub category it's an art film.
The only problem with x-men is x3, and boy is it a big problem
Spiderman was a contender but i didn't think the 2nd movie was good enough.
Daredevil wasn't really that good, ok but nothing special
Superman really only middle of the road films
Fantastic 4 well the less said the better imo
Batman's first 2 movies were great they then slipped a little (maybe a lot) but came back strong with begins
if we had this pole after Spiderman 3 it may be different
Dorbin
Jan 16 2007, 01:32 AM
Spiderman is a strong choice to me and to respond to TexasGal, I believe Maguire fits the role well because he is more "everyday" than other actors. In other words, Peter Parker is unassuming, the "friendly neighborhood" kind of guy. His occasional stiffness in acting is intentional, because he is a bit of a geek and he has trouble expressing his emotions of Mary Jane (and can't because of the consequences).
However, after seeing Batman Begins, which was awesome, I am going with Batman.
Norman™
Jan 16 2007, 07:06 AM
QUOTE(Dorbin @ Jan 16 2007, 01:32 AM)

Spiderman is a strong choice to me and to respond to TexasGal, I believe Maguire fits the role well because he is more "everyday" than other actors. In other words, Peter Parker is unassuming, the "friendly neighborhood" kind of guy. His occasional stiffness in acting is intentional, because he is a bit of a geek and he has trouble expressing his emotions of Mary Jane (and can't because of the consequences).
Couldn't agree with you more. Maguire was a great choice to play Spiderman. This was my favourite until I saw Sin City
PresentlyGifted
Jan 16 2007, 10:15 AM
I was struggling between Batman, Superman and X-men......as franchises, all 3 have their peaks and incredible lows, but in the end i went with Superman. The original movie is a classic, and the Donner cut of the 2nd one is equally as great, and i think Superman returns was good, but more of a set piece for the next movie.....still it was a good movie in its own right. But mainly because of the original and its sequel, i gave Superman the nod.....the Donner movies are damn good, there's almost no aging with either of them. X-3 just put a damper on that franchise in a big way....god i hated that movie. Batman made a triumphant return, and that franchise is only going to get better if the same people stay involved with it. But wow, the clooney and kilmer ones almost killed it for good
SEENOEVIL
Jan 16 2007, 02:43 PM
I went for 'Other', mainly because there is no mention of Old Boy. As much as I loved Sin City, and seeing as Frank Miller has 'God-Like' status here at SEENO towers, it was a close call, but Old Boy is just such a startling movie that its impossible for me to put anyother comic book movie over it.
PREDATOR
Jan 16 2007, 11:56 PM
For me, it was a tough call. As a Spidey fan and as a movie goer I am impressed with the two films so far, they've captured everything - the attitude, plot points, milestones and the fun.
But, I also love Batman with Keaton and Nicholson. I've never read more than a few Batty comics, so I can't comment on plot points etc, just the fact that it is for me the best rendition of the Dark Knight ever in cinema. Every aspect of it is great.
Antonio Montana
Jan 17 2007, 01:40 AM
Sin City - I can watch that thing over and over. I love it!
delino
Jan 17 2007, 03:55 AM
I'd say Sin City and then a close second would be Batman Begins. I liked X Men, but Batman Begins was special. Great effects and an excellent story line. I thought they did a really good job with it.
TexasGal
Jan 17 2007, 02:56 PM
QUOTE(Dorbin @ Jan 15 2007, 07:32 PM)

Spiderman is a strong choice to me and to respond to TexasGal, I believe Maguire fits the role well because he is more "everyday" than other actors. In other words, Peter Parker is unassuming, the "friendly neighborhood" kind of guy. His occasional stiffness in acting is intentional, because he is a bit of a geek and he has trouble expressing his emotions of Mary Jane (and can't because of the consequences).
However, after seeing Batman Begins, which was awesome, I am going with Batman.
Really? You saw it as acting and as the character? I just saw it as bad casting. Sorry. To me he seemed wooden, not boy next door. So many other actors have portrayed awkward and ordinary much better. He played awkward and ordinary much better himself in Seabiscuit. But we don't all have to like the same movies, and maybe he'll get it right for me in the third one.
Thank you for the welcome in the other thread too, Dorbin.
makeitstop
Jan 17 2007, 05:17 PM
Sin city - I give it high technical scores for its living comic book look, and it did have few fun moments (big guy, what's his name? He was cool) but overall, not worth the ticket price.
X-men - I would have picked this, but after the thrid one, not gonna happen. The first was good enough to work on story rather than explosions, and the second was a cool action movie which set up an awesome sequel or too, but then fox didnt go through the effort to kep brian singer, and slapped together a cinematic suppository which ruined the series. Everyone responsible for that must be castrated in order to prevent further contamination of the gene pool and to send a message to others who would so willingly (and inexplicably) destroy a good series of movies. (who knows, maybe singer will come back and pretend that 3 was never made, like he did with superman)
Spiderman - This gets the vote, because while I have minor gripes with bothe movies, they were both very good, and actually seemed to get better. I also like how they are taking things slow, and not just exploiting every potential plotline at the first available opportunity. I am more excited about spiderman 3 than any other upcoming movie. Oh, and I didnt like the choice of tobey maguire either, but I've gotten used to him. Still hate the voice though.
Daredevil - Aside from the fact that it was a fairly decent protrayel of living with my amazing senses (Yes, I can close my eyes and navigate by sound, under the right conditions. And I would like to sleep in sensory deprivation chamber) this movie was entirely unremarkable. See the van helsing reference in the comfort movies thread.
Batman - Batmen begins was awesome, and that series may very well be the best after future installments. However the others were crap, so I cant give it my vote.
Superman - Never liked superman, and probably never will.
Fantastic Four - Could have been good if it were either a serious movie or a stylish, over the top quasi-parody. They straddled the two by making it crap with bad jokes, a lackluster story and really nothing good or bad enough to escape mediocrity.
other - I still say the hulk was under-rated. It wasnt the best, but it was better than daredevil or the fantastic four.
Norman™
Jan 17 2007, 06:22 PM
Never thought this'd inspire so much debate. Thats good to see

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QUOTE(makeitstop @ Jan 17 2007, 05:17 PM)

Superman - Never liked superman, and probably never will.
I agree with you there. Never really "got" superman tbh, although Smallville is ok.
snowbird
Jan 18 2007, 06:47 PM
I loved spiderman. I wasn't too thrilled with Batman, the whole movie was so dark and dreary for me. I don't know, it just didn't keep me entertained.
PREDATOR
Jan 18 2007, 11:29 PM
QUOTE(Norman™ @ Jan 17 2007, 06:22 PM)

Never thought this'd inspire so much debate. Thats good to see

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QUOTE(makeitstop @ Jan 17 2007, 05:17 PM)

Superman - Never liked superman, and probably never will.
I agree with you there. Never really "got" superman tbh, although Smallville is ok.
Me too, as much as I 'never got' Supes, I like the first two films (Superman II: The Donner Cut especially) and watch them as fantasy films and nothing more.
I don't want to bag the character, but I often wonder if anyone else notices the vagueness in much of the character. Where are the limits of his powers? He can basically do whatever the story or circumstances at the time need him to. He can move, stop, throw and pickup anything. To me, he was the most unexciting and tedious character in Comics - after all he's impervious to everything (except that mysterious K'nite), can breathe in space and can fly at varying speeds depending on what the story dictates - where's the suspense?

He can fly fast enough to turn the Earth back (which in itself shows this should be placed under the 'fantasy' banner), but can't catch two missiles going opposite directions?
Plenty of flaws and unbeleivability (more than most heroes) and thats why I prefer the characters like Batman, Spider-man, Punisher and Wolverine. They are not impervious or have limitless powers, or any at all, and there is always a chance of peril and excitement. In short they bleed and hurt and to me that is more interesting.
ohdarklord
Jan 19 2007, 12:46 AM
QUOTE(PREDATOR @ Jan 18 2007, 11:29 PM)

I don't want to bag the character, but I often wonder if anyone else notices the vagueness in much of the character. Where are the limits of his powers? He can basically do whatever the story or circumstances at the time need him to.
Like in superman iv where he uses build wall vision
QUOTE(PREDATOR @ Jan 18 2007, 11:29 PM)

Plenty of flaws and unbeleivability (more than most heroes) and thats why I prefer the characters like Batman, Spider-man, Punisher and Wolverine. They are not impervious or have limitless powers, or any at all, and there is always a chance of peril and excitement. In short they bleed and hurt and to me that is more interesting.

Wolverine is in the same boat he regenerates so you cant wound him, he has that metal skull so you cant shoot him in the head and he has claws that can cut through anything. (but he cant fly or move fast)
There are things that can stop superman like k'nite and seperating him from the sun long enough and the tend to use them alot so that there is some drama.
makeitstop
Jan 20 2007, 05:25 AM
QUOTE(ohdarklord @ Jan 18 2007, 06:46 PM)

QUOTE(PREDATOR @ Jan 18 2007, 11:29 PM)

I don't want to bag the character, but I often wonder if anyone else notices the vagueness in much of the character. Where are the limits of his powers? He can basically do whatever the story or circumstances at the time need him to.
Like in superman iv where he uses build wall vision
QUOTE(PREDATOR @ Jan 18 2007, 11:29 PM)

Plenty of flaws and unbeleivability (more than most heroes) and thats why I prefer the characters like Batman, Spider-man, Punisher and Wolverine. They are not impervious or have limitless powers, or any at all, and there is always a chance of peril and excitement. In short they bleed and hurt and to me that is more interesting.

Wolverine is in the same boat he regenerates so you cant wound him, he has that metal skull so you cant shoot him in the head and he has claws that can cut through anything. (but he cant fly or move fast)
There are things that can stop superman like k'nite and seperating him from the sun long enough and the tend to use them alot so that there is some drama.
Yeah, superman isnt completely invincible. Hell, if I was a villain, I could kill him. But the problem is that he just isnt interesting. He will be exposed to kryptonite, but he will just put on his space suit or find some way to get rid of it and therefore bypass the gimmicky plot device. Notice that he is always getting exposed to kryptonite, but no one ever bothers to put a bullet in his head when they have the chance. And where is the personality? When has he ever had some sort of meaningful internal conflict, or gotten totally pissed and tempted to kill the bad guy? He is a one dimensional character.
And his powers are over the top. He may get beaten up by a giant robot, but he will still come back and throw it into orbit with one hand tied behind his back. He wins fights only because he is stronger and faster and has laser eyes etc. Spiderman on the other hand is not that strong (well, except in the last movie, that bugged me a bit) and fights villains that are much tougher than he is. He only wins because he is smart and occassionally lucky. Batman doesnt even have powers and (for reasons I do not understand) doesnt even carry a decent weapon, and yet he fights heavily armed and occasionally super-powered enemies while being outnumbered 1000 to 1. He wins because he is basically a ninja who uses stealth, skill and the occasional cool toy to even the odds.
Oh, and wolverine is extremely hard to kill, but not nearly as hard to beat. He has to actually reach you if he is going to hurt you, and there's a wide range of weapons and powers that that can easily stop and temporarily disable him. And his healing ability must have it's limits, so heating him to 12,000 degrees will probably kill him.
tgoforth1984
Mar 10 2007, 03:31 PM
Sin City-Wasn't my favorite, but good
X Men-pretty good
Spiderman-I thought it was good
Daredevil-loved this one
Batman-My favorite is actually Batman Begins
Superman-Older ones are ok, new one boring, didn't even watch the whole thing
Fantastic 4 -I enjoyed this one
Hulk-pretty good
Elektra-My favorite one
Ghost Rider-Good
Grikor
Mar 11 2007, 02:47 AM
I actually think the best comic based movie is X-Men, its great for adults and kids. It also has a bit of humor in it.
The Mighty Celestial
Jun 9 2008, 03:40 PM
I am a HUGE comicbook nerd. And since, admitting that usually doesn't garner much respect out in the general populace I only expect the best when a project interprets my favorite medium up on the big screen. B'cuz we comicbook fans don't need any more ammunition to makes us seem any more goofy than we already are. We can do that all by ourselves.
ALL by ourselves.
So here are my faves:
10. X-Men 2 - Damn! Lookit all those freakin' mutants!
The students of Prof. Charles Xavier's School Of Gifted Youngsters return, more grander, more powerful & more "mutantly" varied . As an example of what happens when a qualified director is allowed more freedom & more money than in the initial film, for this sequel, x does indeed, mark the spot.
9. Batman - Just for the fact that it was the first serious effort outside of the comicbook to try & depict ol' Bat's as a true Dark Knight of justice.
8. Spiderman - Marvel's effort at trying to do what Burton did with the Batman. Introduce the webhead as a serious legitimate property for film.
7. IronMan - A much more cohesive origin story than Spidey's first go-at-it. The problem with the first film of any superhero flick is to be able to show enough of a detailed origin while leaving enough room in the film for a transition of the character learning to deal with his/her powers & then some kind climatic confrontation with some sort of antagonist figure. I found this movie to be much better paced than other initial efforts of Marvel properties like the Hulk or Spiderman, with a much more naturalness to the characters, as evidenced by Downey Jr's humor & the comfortable chemistry between he, Gweneth Paltrow & Terence Howard.
6. V For Vendetta - Alan Moore's storytelling is just so rich in detail, atmosphere & concepts, that it can almost seem impossible to capture even just a sliver of it's essence onto a film adaptation. Therefor, even though this movie quite obviously cannot compare to the comicbook series, just the fact that it was able to retain anything at all from Mr. Moore's work to any kind of degree of consistency to the story
(which, IMO, is the only movie to do so far) is enough to mark it as a success for me.
5. Batman Begins - While Tim Burton's was the first to finally introduce the down to earth grittiness that revealed Batman as the real badass that we who read his comics knew that he really was, there was still a certain flamboyancy ( as is in all of Burton's films) that allowed those filmmakers whose followed in this franchise after Burton, to systematically bring the Caped Crusader down almost to the level of Adam West doing the bat-toosie.
This reboot came along & completely eliminated the almost unrepairable bat-damage still lingering in the minds of general movie-goers.
I remember sitting thru the first scene of this film & thinking to myself that it was hard to believe that what I was watching was actually a superhero movie. I can even overlook the fact that the Bat-Mobile was now more of a massively unbatlike tank/dune-buggy hybrid than it was an actual sleek yet indestructible @ss-kicking ride that we all average joe mortal-types like to fantasize about owning.
4. Blade - A very insignificant character in the Marvel universe is transformed on the big-screen into a sword-welding, bad-@ss with the fighting skillz that Batman only wishes he possessed. The fight scenes in this movie are a true stand-out for any kind of action movie. Yo, and the story & visuals supercede any comicbook that Blade was ever involved in.
Now this is how all comicbook superhero film adaptations should be approached.
(BTW, even tho as a comicbook movie, I have Blade ranked at #4 ,
as a vampire character, Blade definitely rates as #1.
So, for any vampires out there reading this, I don't care what your position is in the bloodsuckers' heiarchy, Blade would still kick all yo' asses.
Suckas.)
3. Superman 2 - Okay, after his intro in the first movie, Supes now gets to take the the kid gloves off, kick some real @ss & take names. And the Lois Lane/Clark Kent romance subplot is strong enough to negate the out-of-left-field big plastic-wrap S insignia that the Man Of Steel pulls off his chest ( "wtf?")during the climatic battle with the trio of rogue Kryptonians. Yo, Ka-El, with great power not only comes great responsibility, but also, great sacrifice too.
2. Spiderman 2 - I should've known that this was going to turn into one of my favorite movie adaptations of a comicbook superhero when, before I entered the theatre, my spider-senses didn't go off, all atingling an' sh*t.
1. Superman - No matter what anyone says, this is the original gangsta of superheroes. So it is only fitting that the last son of Krypton's big-budget movie debut should turn out to be the one that all others must be measured by. And while I know that this movie does have it's dated flaws, it was, just like the character whom it portrayed, the one that started on the idea of how epic the concept of a superhero could truly be.
Now, few non-superhero movies that are based off of comic-books:
5. Men In Black - Since I never read the comic-book when the move came out, I decided to check it out.
The comic was a piece of crap. Which made me appreciate the quality of this fun, escapist film even more.
4. 300 - I thought that the limited comicbook series was just okay. But then Frank Miller took this movie & used it to add a whole different dimension to the telling of this early historic battle. While the story itself suffered a bit because it had to be shorten into a "two-hour" movie ( or however long this thing ran), it seemed to be made up by the surrealist matrix-like effects that were used to enhance the story-telling in a manner such as when an artist uses a new medium for his/her artwork.
In this history epic, I have seen the future of film storytelling,
And it works.
3. Ghost World - While I had seen Scarlett Johansson before in other movies, this was the first one where I had "fallen in love" with her.
I always liked Dan Clowes work. He definitely subscribed to the idea of having a "style that was all his own". And for my money, this style fits in even more effectively in the medium of film than it does in the comicbook version of what is known as the "alternative" genre ( which already, it does so quite successfully). Dan Clowes' movies bring a well-welcomed shot of something new & different to watch as his comics bring to the experience of reading.
2. Road To Perdition - Let's forget the comicbook for a moment. This is a quality film that addresses something that rarely gets any notice from any mobster movie: the relationship of a gangster with his kid(s). Just this one aspect of the mafia lifestyle is enough to open a new set of ideas for future movies plotlines that focus on those in the world of organized crime.
1. Sin City - The weird thing about this movie is that the male lead characters are all practically the same guy. And the stories don't seem to stray too off far from each other or from a theme that we've all seen on the big screen millions of times before. The thing is, the visuals on this thing are so goddamn striking that, for me at least, it almost felt like I was watching a much more unique set of plotlines than was actually being told. Rather than trying to bring the Sin City graphic novel into movie "reel life", it seemed almost like this was more an exercise to bringing reel life into the Sin City comicbook. That the actors weren't trying to portray comicbook characters as much as they were trying to integrate their 3-D physicality into 2-D flat-figured Frank Miller drawings ( as was most evident with the make-up jobs on Marv & the Yellow Man). I know that there are some people who criticized the simplicity & graphic "pointlessness" of this movie, but it's art direction was so full of energy & depth ( for my visual senses, at least) that I couldn't keep my eyes off the screen & found myself truly embedded in the illusion that I was watching something original.
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